Performance is getting worse with every patch

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

Upgrade your hardware and the problems will go away. Poe might be an older game but you need somewhat up to date hardware, especially the processor.
I went from unplayable with 1500x ryzen 5 to no problems at all atm(prayge rngesus) with ryzen 5 7600(AM5!). I can even play Blight again now :)

If you put enough "juice" in a map/build to turn it into a mess of delirium fog and various effects, nothing will save you even with the top-tier hardware, mmkay.

The engine itself became more demanding over the last couple years too, of course - i remember the times when i could run it at work on a "potato pc" with ye olde gtx780 and ye olde 2011-3 xeon with more or less stable 30/60 fps, but now any kind of "special encounter" like delirium blight ritual etc turns it into a slideshow even on lowest settings with no sound and dx11.

Yeah its ridiculous, ive never had longer loading screens, every map my ping is through the stratosphere, im turning into a hideout warrior because id rather make currency without chain feeding and dying in maps due to servers (not even my own systems fault)

Itd be one thing if it was a skill issue on my part (being a bad player), or bad build, or bad pc but its none of the above.

Classic deadlock detected into random rip, or rollback on the map completely.

There's some limit to how much shader cashe AMD cards have by default and it takes a regex tweak to change. Also there's a pack checker exe in the PoE folder people can run to look for corrupted assets. My system is nowhere near impressive but I guess between playing in standard league where towns have near zero people occupying it means I'm not loading everyone's MTX. Game runs fine? I'm not complaining...

Ryzen 5 5500 (six core am4)
16GB RAM @ 3200 (enable xmp in bios)
SATA 3 SSD
RX 580 card
1gig fiber internet

My game chugs for a brief moment when I encounter bigger packs while rampage procs but I'm also seeing people say that this happens on their fancier x3d systems.

Please note: I don't think I run what Exiles call "super juiced content" Dunno what that might actually be other than stacking as many delirium orbs onto a corrupted 8-mod map that has reflect.

The game is developing. If, at the same, your PC is not, then I don't know what you want. Get yourself a better hardware AND continue upgrading every 3 years, otherwise you will be whining on forums about how bad the game performance is.

I've been here since 2012, and see the same sort of post ALL the time, it has never effected me, performance, loading and connection past minor issues have all been rock solid, i have literally walked someone through their connection issue by loging into the same server, running a WinMTR with them doing the same content and found that t heir connection issue wasn't the servers but their 100+ open live search trade tabs in opera was harming their game instance.


Performance has not changed detectable, if it is an issue for you then it is likely something like driver updates or "fixes" to the game that you don't really understand

Not sure why the other game update with the less fog version of delirium hasnt been implemented here yet.

Everyone knows that the less effects and visual vomit in the game is on the screen the better for everyone since they have a problem with their servers and optimization every league for a while now.

It doesn't matter what hardware you have, poe can just be a mess sometimes. I wish GGG had the time to do the black magic nintendo. Sometimes it just feels like they have misplaced their priorities.

The way I see their dev practices, optimizing end user experiences, reducing lag, reducing space on disk, etc are bottom tier priorities.

The only reason this game is 50+ gigs is because some best practices aren't being followed. Honestly given the scope of the game, the total number of maps, skills, voicelines etc, I don't see this game being bigger than 20 gigs max. But for some reason I have to store all this MTX I will literally never buy.

I get it too, why bother optimizing and compressing content that will dissappear in 4-9 months. This has created a lot of technical debt though.

I will point out the suggested RECOMMENDED SPECS from GGG on steam are:
a 2.6 ghz processor
8 gigs ram
a gtx 760 or amd ati radeon 7850
40 gigs storage space

I can't believe that GGG never updated this. People with 4090s are struggling now. Telling people to get top of the line gear obviously won't fix these problems, they quite literally are on GGG's end. the gear the hardware the game is literally designed to run on is listed above.

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roundishcap#0649 wrote:

It doesn't matter what hardware you have, poe can just be a mess sometimes. I wish GGG had the time to do the black magic nintendo. Sometimes it just feels like they have misplaced their priorities.

The way I see their dev practices, optimizing end user experiences, reducing lag, reducing space on disk, etc are bottom tier priorities.

The only reason this game is 50+ gigs is because some best practices aren't being followed.

It’s 50+ gigs, but honestly, that is nothing. The game has been out for over a decade and has just kept growing over time. Games naturally get bigger as they age, and 50 gigs is not even anything crazy. There are plenty of games out there with half the content that can hit 200+ gigs once you add all the DLC and extras.

Players with a 4090 and a top tier CPU are not struggling with the game at all, obviously, since their setups are way overkill for what the game is even asking for. Their PCs practically fall asleep handling such a small load. You do not even need that level of hardware though, as a reasonably up-to-date mid tier system runs it just fine. If 50 gigs already feels like a problem, that actually says a lot about the kind of setup someone is running. It is probably decade-old hardware, weak entry-level machines, or prebuilts with terrible specs, like a 4GB 1050 paired with a weak Intel CPU from ten years ago, which practically already wants to give up just by booting up any modern game.

Performance has only improved for players with a properly respectable gaming rig, and I am not talking about end-of-the-line top products. I mean a system clearly built for modern gaming, not some entry-level junk that is barely good enough to play FarmVille Simulator, Terraria, or League of Legends on 1080p low to mid settings. People who were already struggling before will only have it harder as the game continues to grow, improve, and naturally demand more from modern hardware, not some decade-old landfiller waste that is already screaming for replacement. GGG will not backport the game to how it used to be in 2013. That was never their goal and it never will be.

If you do not understand how game development, hardware, and performance optimization actually work, it might be best not to point fingers at the devs and blame them for everything the moment something seems off. In reality, they are already doing everything they can to improve performance, as we can see with the multiple quick hotfixes that get thrown out on the rush. That is how high performance is on their priority list.
No developer in the world can magically fix weak hardware, no matter how much someone complains.

Not only does performance degrade every patch, but suddenly this league the game is taking wayyy more RAM for literally no reason lol

Its so bloated and in desperate need of a "disable all mtx effects" toggle in the settings. Like the fact that the steam install of this game is 60 GB is crazy. I'm lucky I had someone buy me a nice external SSD with 500 GB of space so I could finally install more than 2 games at a time.


I'm also extremely lucky that I got 16 GB of RAM for my birthday so now I have 24 RAM instead of 16, task manager was saying 98% usage when I had 16 GB of RAM lul

But yeah don't let people tell you otherwise, this game's engine is spaghetti code central and they don't care about optimization at all. If they did, there would be a performance section in the patch notes every league. But there isn't. Even with a NASA PC both PoE 1 and PoE 2 can run like dogwater and crash.(either the game or your whole PC) Countless bug reports and nothing is being done, because their priorities are somewhere else clearly.

You know which game does have a Performance section in its Season 4 Patch Notes? Last Epoch. And I respect that very much, it shows those devs care about optimizing their game because they want to port it to consoles eventually.

Meanwhile you got PoE 1 constantly having backported broken PoE 2 assets that don't work properly and have 0 optimization, so the shaders for them take forever to load etc. etc. like what kind of SSD do they think the average user has, we can't all load these assets at light-speeds lmaaao

Everyone just has whatever PC setup they have and they gotta use the cards they've been dealt, most people can't "duurrrrr just upgrade bro" so its a developer's responsibility to optimize their game properly for the minimum specs its listed at.

Ofc all of this text will just go into the void, nobody will read it or care because they're far too busy with PoE 2's early access and exilecon preparations. I don't care either, eventually the game will break so hard that they will be forced to fix it just like how it already happened once with PoE 2. It's gonna be really funny when that happens again.

I don’t think it’s realistic for a constantly updated, modern live service game to be fully optimized at all times, whether on consoles or older, lower-end hardware. At some point, developers need, and should, rip the bandage off and move forward to make the game as good as it can be. That may mean leaving behind older hardware like the PS4 or decade-old CPU and GPU setups.

That said, I do agree that GGG has room to improve and could revisit the minimum system requirements. Still, their technology and engine are impressive, especially considering everything running in the background. These are the kinds of systems most players never see or think about.

Personally, I really enjoy the ExileCon developer talks that dive into the game’s inner workings. They offer some genuinely interesting insights. Credit where it’s due - while some may disagree, GGG definitely knows their stuff.

Examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxXJn1DOuzw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrHHTQqmAaM