Performance is getting worse with every patch

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

lul I'm on ddr4 2666 MHz ram but whatever, don't know what quad-channel even means. My motherboard only has 2 slots for ram, and I just have 1x 8 and 1x 16 slotted in atm.

Mixing RAM isn’t a good idea as it can sometimes lead to reduced stability or less consistent performance.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

And not everyone can just go and buy an expensive ssd, nor does everyone even know how to open up a PC and swap out parts.

Oh, anyone who’s interested in buying PC parts can do that pretty easily nowadays, whether it’s from a local retail store or an online shop. It’s honestly one of the most basic processes out there, pretty much just like going grocery shopping. You go in, pick what you need, pay for it, and you’re done.

Sometimes you might have to order something online because the local retailer doesn’t have the exact item you want in stock, or they might offer a solid alternative instead. But overall it’s still the same simple idea: go in, take your desired item, and leave.

Anyone interested in a small upgrade will find it’s very straightforward these days. Swapping in an SSD, adding more storage, or even upgrading a few core parts, you just pick the component up, wait for it to arrive, and slot it in. Most upgrades are basically plug it in, secure it, done. It’s very much a “Lego for adults” situation, and in most cases it’s surprisingly hard to mess anything up even if you try.

Most parts also come with pretty straightforward, easy to understand one page picture manuals, so even if you have never done it before you’re not exactly left guessing what goes where.

And if you’re still unsure, there are plenty of quick 2 to 3 minute YouTube tutorials that show the exact steps for almost any upgrade you can think of, from simple swaps to gradually building up to a full custom rig from hand picked parts so you know you’ve got something good going.

Basic stuff like using a screwdriver, opening a case, unplugging cables, or powering down a system doesn’t require any special expertise either. It’s all very approachable, even for absolute beginners, and honestly something most people can do with zero prior experience.

Even my old granny recently added a new SSD to her PC because she ran out of storage space, and she did it all by herself after a quick “this goes there” explanation. I’m honestly proud of her.

At the end of the day this isn’t some NASA level engineering project. It’s just basic hands on stuff that’s designed to be user friendly.

And yes, it’s pretty self explanatory to wash your hands first so you don’t get Coke or Cheetos dust all over your shiny new parts. That’s just common sense at that point. Just open the box, slot it in, slap the bad boy in, done.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Again, there are people with NASA PC setups in technical support/bug reports saying that both games run badly or crash. Its just only affecting some people.

If you don’t have this kind of “NASA” setup, it might be best to avoid giving performance feedback on it from a first-hand perspective, since you’re simply not working with the same hardware conditions.

Players running high-end systems generally don’t run into these kinds of issues, because at that level the hardware is so far above the requirements that everything just runs smoothly. There’s nothing inherently wrong with the game causing performance dips for those users.

When problems do show up for a small number of people, it’s usually tied to things on the user’s side, like corrupted installations, misconfigured systems, or issues with their own hardware setup. That’s not something you can fairly attribute to GGG or the game itself.

Outside of that, what often gets called “performance issues” is just weaker or aging landfiller hardware being pushed beyond its limits and bottlenecking under load.

And since you’ve already mentioned not really having an understanding of PC components or this topic in general, and not being interested in learning more about it, it might be better not to confidently point fingers at GGG. It’s difficult to make accurate claims about optimization or performance without any real understanding of the systems involved.

It’s a bit like saying a Chinese restaurant around the corner is bad without ever having tried their food, you’re commenting on something you don’t actually have experience with, which doesn’t really make the critique helpful.

Nah, its the game and this is an objective fact. Countless threads keep popping up in bug reports and technical support. People only have problems with this game on NASA PCs. And I'm perfectly qualified to talk about it. Doesn't matter what kind of PC I have kekw

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Nah, its the game and this is an objective fact. And I'm perfectly qualified to talk about it. Doesn't matter what kind of PC I have kekw

Source: Trust me bro?

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

lul I'm on ddr4 2666 MHz ram but whatever, don't know what quad-channel even means. My motherboard only has 2 slots for ram, and I just have 1x 8 and 1x 16 slotted in atm.

Thanks for your input, I trust your source!

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Pashid#4643 wrote:

Source: Trust me bro?



Thanks for your input, I trust your source!

You don't need a "source" for just giving your feedback in a forum about a videogame. I'm not trying to prove a scientific theory here, I'm just throwing out my feelings and thoughts about the game. That's what we call feedback.

I don't need to prove a thing, nor does anyone need to believe what I'm saying. These forums aren't for debating, they're for simply sharing feedback and suggestions about the game, as the name implies.

Dump couple k into your hardware just so you can play the game that ran just fine couple of years ago, because we added a bunch of graphical fidelity dingleberries nobody asked for that now tank performance and require gigabytes of space just for the game to function. Oh and we like calling "improving the engine" adding unoptimized garbage graphics literally nobody cares about, instead of calling "improving the engine" the optimization passes we are doing (we aren't). No, thanks. Does the game still require you to disable C-States to remove stutter? Im pretty sure it does, it's been years and fixing THAT would be considered an engine improvement.

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testingthings#2158 wrote:

Dump couple k into your hardware just so you can play the game that ran just fine couple of years ago, because we added a bunch of graphical fidelity dingleberries nobody asked for that now tank performance and require gigabytes of space just for the game to function. Oh and we like calling "improving the engine" adding unoptimized garbage graphics literally nobody cares about, instead of calling "improving the engine" the optimization passes we are doing (we aren't). No, thanks. Does the game still require you to disable C-States to remove stutter? Im pretty sure it does, it's been years and fixing THAT would be considered an engine improvement.

Of course like any hobby, it is your responsibility to keep your gear reasonably up to date in order to continue enjoying it at its fullest potential.

The game has changed significantly over the years, with continuous additions, improvements, and overall increases in quality. As a natural consequence, it has also become more demanding in terms of performance compared to its 2013 state. A system that could run it back then, often already closer to entry level hardware at the time, will inevitably deliver far weaker performance more than a decade later. This is not due to any sudden drop in capability, but rather the predictable result of software becoming more advanced while older hardware becomes increasingly outdated and less supported over time.

Naturally, if gaming is your hobby, it makes sense to periodically maintain and upgrade your system to preserve a smooth and enjoyable experience. This typically falls into a 5 to 6 year cycle depending on the level of components initially chosen. High end components are usually capable of remaining relevant and delivering strong performance throughout that timeframe with minimal changes. Mid tier builds may begin to show bottlenecks earlier, where targeted upgrades become necessary to maintain consistent performance. Entry level components, on the other hand, are generally intended for shorter lifespans in terms of demanding workloads, meaning they will require replacement sooner as they do not provide the same long term headroom for sustained enjoyment.

There is a reason why future proofing your system is considered such a golden rule in PC building and gaming. The more you invest upfront into stronger and more capable components, the longer you can enjoy a smooth experience before meaningful upgrades are needed, and the lower your long term upgrade costs tend to be. In many cases, a well planned system can be brought back up to a strong level of performance after 5 to 6 years with only a targeted upgrade such as a GPU replacement or a CPU upgrade, rather than requiring a full system rebuild. This makes future proofing not only a performance strategy, but also a cost efficient one over time, as it allows you to extend the life of your build with relatively small, well timed improvements when bottlenecks eventually begin to appear.

A helpful comparison would be something like owning a car. It is not a one time purchase and forget situation. Regular maintenance such as oil changes, brake replacements, tire wear, and general servicing is necessary to keep it running reliably and safely. Over time, even a well maintained car will feel less efficient compared to newer models as technology improves. At that point, owners often do not replace the entire car immediately, but instead handle smaller repairs or part replacements to extend its usable life before eventually moving on when it no longer makes sense to keep investing into it.

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

Of course like any hobby, it is your responsibility to keep your gear reasonably up to date in order to continue enjoying it at its fullest potential.

Indeed, guess I'll keep asking for people to gift me a brand-new PC till I get one for free, just like how I already got a free SSD and RAM upgrade by asking for those. Since this game doesn't seem to have any optimization at all, the only solution is to brute-force it to run "good" with an overkill PC lul

Eventually I will get a new PC, just gotta wait it out until the opportunity lands right in front of me~

I simply cannot wait to get hardware that's overqualified for this game, and limit the fps to 60 then run it in windowed mode on my 1080p monitor, its gonna be absolutely glorious and beautiful.

And until then, I can enjoy good games that are actually optimized well and run perfectly fine on my current PC.

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

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testingthings#2158 wrote:

Dump couple k into your hardware just so you can play the game that ran just fine couple of years ago, because we added a bunch of graphical fidelity dingleberries nobody asked for that now tank performance and require gigabytes of space just for the game to function. Oh and we like calling "improving the engine" adding unoptimized garbage graphics literally nobody cares about, instead of calling "improving the engine" the optimization passes we are doing (we aren't). No, thanks. Does the game still require you to disable C-States to remove stutter? Im pretty sure it does, it's been years and fixing THAT would be considered an engine improvement.

Of course like any hobby, it is your responsibility to keep your gear reasonably up to date in order to continue enjoying it at its fullest potential.

The game has changed significantly over the years, with continuous additions, improvements, and overall increases in quality. As a natural consequence, it has also become more demanding in terms of performance compared to its 2013 state. A system that could run it back then, often already closer to entry level hardware at the time, will inevitably deliver far weaker performance more than a decade later. This is not due to any sudden drop in capability, but rather the predictable result of software becoming more advanced while older hardware becomes increasingly outdated and less supported over time.

Naturally, if gaming is your hobby, it makes sense to periodically maintain and upgrade your system to preserve a smooth and enjoyable experience. This typically falls into a 5 to 6 year cycle depending on the level of components initially chosen. High end components are usually capable of remaining relevant and delivering strong performance throughout that timeframe with minimal changes. Mid tier builds may begin to show bottlenecks earlier, where targeted upgrades become necessary to maintain consistent performance. Entry level components, on the other hand, are generally intended for shorter lifespans in terms of demanding workloads, meaning they will require replacement sooner as they do not provide the same long term headroom for sustained enjoyment.

There is a reason why future proofing your system is considered such a golden rule in PC building and gaming. The more you invest upfront into stronger and more capable components, the longer you can enjoy a smooth experience before meaningful upgrades are needed, and the lower your long term upgrade costs tend to be. In many cases, a well planned system can be brought back up to a strong level of performance after 5 to 6 years with only a targeted upgrade such as a GPU replacement or a CPU upgrade, rather than requiring a full system rebuild. This makes future proofing not only a performance strategy, but also a cost efficient one over time, as it allows you to extend the life of your build with relatively small, well timed improvements when bottlenecks eventually begin to appear.

A helpful comparison would be something like owning a car. It is not a one time purchase and forget situation. Regular maintenance such as oil changes, brake replacements, tire wear, and general servicing is necessary to keep it running reliably and safely. Over time, even a well maintained car will feel less efficient compared to newer models as technology improves. At that point, owners often do not replace the entire car immediately, but instead handle smaller repairs or part replacements to extend its usable life before eventually moving on when it no longer makes sense to keep investing into it.

No. Optimize the game and stop offloading bad practices onto hardware.
Is this ai written? Too many words for too little said.

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testingthings#2158 wrote:

No. Optimize the game and stop offloading bad practices onto hardware.

True and based. This is exactly what all the "shader compilation" nonsense is appearing in more and more games. Forcing the user to generate these shaders when older games used to just load everything in a loading screen and have all the files pre-packed into the game. Now we got fancy real-time loading and people are having invisible bosses and attacks in PoE lmao

Gaming in 2026 sure is something. Shader loading was a mistake.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Since this game doesn't seem to have any optimization at all

You’re right this game really is not optimized for older or weaker hardware, who would have seen that coming. That said it is probably best to keep expectations realistic when it comes to any major performance improvements through external upgrades since older systems can only be pushed so far as there are not a lot of future proof opportunities on parts that were already entry level a decade ago.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Eventually I will get a new PC, just gotta wait it out until the opportunity lands right in front of me~

I’m sure you’ve got to get something eventually, even with the increase in part prices it probably takes less than two months to save up for something nice, you can do it buddy! I’m also waiting for the opportunity, eventually I become CEO of the company I’m working for, I just need to wait it out until it conveniently lands right in front of me.

Realistically though, one of those two outcomes is significantly more likely to happen than the other, but hey, both are very high-reaching goals and surely possible for both of us!

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

I simply cannot wait to get hardware that's overqualified for this game, and limit the fps to 60 then run it in windowed mode on my 1080p monitor, its gonna be absolutely glorious and beautiful.

Indeed, a smooth, stable 60 FPS experience with no stutters or drops, just pure enjoyment.
No more frame drops, no more pure agony of what feels like a PowerPoint presentation.
From experience, I can tell you you will love it. And honestly, if you decide to treat yourself to an upgrade, why stop there instead of exploring something even better and going a step further? True gamers deserve a true gaming experience, and moving from 1080p 60Hz to higher resolutions and higher refresh rates is genuinely a night and day difference. You can do it buddy!

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

And until then, I can enjoy good games that are actually optimized well and run perfectly fine on my current PC.

Some might say that if someone truly enjoys good games that run well on their setup, they would likely be quite busy actually playing them. Which could make one wonder whether there is currently a “well optimized” game on that list that genuinely works fine on their PC. A fair guess would be no, because someone having a blast usually does not spend much time complaining about the performance of other games, they would simply be grinding the perfectly optimized one all day long. To be fair though, the gaming market is currently a bit dry, or at least it can feel that way when most new releases and even long established games are not really optimized around decade old hardware either, much like PoE.