Performance is getting worse with every patch

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Toforto#2372 wrote:
most people can't "duurrrrr just upgrade bro"
Most people have a stable income, so I'd argue they could. Hobbies cost money and that's perfectly fine. :)

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Toforto#2372 wrote:
You know which game does have a Performance section in its Season 4 Patch Notes? Last Epoch. And I respect that very much, it shows those devs care about optimizing their game because they want to port it to consoles eventually.
Last Epoch runs bad in a lot of scenarios, especially the endgame. The act 10 tileset and juiced Omen encounters bring a 4090 down to 40fps at 4k.
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Last Epoch runs bad in a lot of scenarios, especially the endgame. The act 10 tileset and juiced Omen encounters bring a 4090 down to 40fps at 4k.


Who's talking about 4k here? My only measure of performance in a game is 1080p 60fps. If it can run at 60 fps with 1920x1080 and low-medium settings then its 10/10. You don't need more than that, and I wouldn't run games in a higher resolution or fps cap even if I could lmao

I'll never understand why people care so much about 8k turbo HD graphics or 200 fps as if 60 doesn't look perfectly smooth enough already.

60 Hz monitor+60 fps cap+1920x1080 windowed mode gaming for life lul
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Toforto#2372 wrote:
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Last Epoch runs bad in a lot of scenarios, especially the endgame. The act 10 tileset and juiced Omen encounters bring a 4090 down to 40fps at 4k.


Who's talking about 4k here? My only measure of performance in a game is 1080p 60fps.
That's your personal opinion, which is fine - doesn't change the fact that the game will chug even on that resolution in the aforementioned scenarios. Realistically even harder since at 1080p your CPU has to put in more work compared to 2160p.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:
You don't need more than that, and I wouldn't run games in a higher resolution or fps cap even if I could lmao
Maybe you don't. Good for you, buddy!

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Toforto#2372 wrote:
I'll never understand why people care so much about 8k turbo HD graphics or 200 fps as if 60 doesn't look perfectly smooth enough already.
Going from 1080p to 1440p, let alone 2160p is a massive upgrade. 60hz feels choppy in a direct comparison to 120hz. Throw in a nice OLED panel and you wouldn't want to go back to IPS, VA or god beware, TN panels.
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Going from 1080p to 1440p, let alone 2160p is a massive upgrade. 60hz feels choppy in a direct comparison to 120hz. Throw in a nice OLED panel and you wouldn't want to go back to IPS, VA or god beware, TN panels.


I don't even know what any of those terms mean kek

Also I see no choppiness in my default 60 hz monitor, its smooth as butter and good enough for me. I don't even see any difference with vsync on or off, as long as a game lets me limit the fps to 60 I'm happy, anything higher is just wasted CPU power.

Like a monitor is a monitor, I don't need it to be as big as a wall. Nor do I need a game to be in any higher resolution because then I'd just have to move my eyes even harder to see stuff in the game lmfao

Like, even 1600x900 is a comfy resolution to play games in. The only game where I really make the window as big as possible is PoE or stuff like WoW. To me 60 fps will always be peak performance, and anything more is just pointless.


As long as PoE can run at 60 fps with the lowest resolution scale and settings in windowed mode stretched to the whole screen I don't really care what the game looks like.
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Toforto#2372 wrote:
Even with a NASA PC both PoE 1 and PoE 2 can run like dogwater and crash.

I don’t think you’re really in a position to make claims like that, especially considering your setup isn’t even remotely close to what people jokingly call a “NASA-level” PC.
It’s built on decade-old, entry-level landfiller hardware that has long since fallen behind modern standards, and at this point it’s less about performance and more about simply surviving.

Expecting it to handle contemporary games smoothly is a stretch in itself, given that it was never designed with that kind of workload in mind.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:
You know which game does have a Performance section in its Season 4 Patch Notes? Last Epoch. And I respect that very much, it shows those devs care about optimizing their game because they want to port it to consoles eventually.

It’s honestly a bit surprising to see this level of praise, especially when there are clear signs that the developers themselves don’t treat the game with that same reverence. One of the more telling issues is performance.
As Celestriad already pointed out, the game can struggle quite heavily in certain situations, and despite being mentioned in the patch notes, those problems still feel all over the place rather than meaningfully resolved. This is especially frustrating considering the tileset issue has already existed since 1.3 and wasn’t properly addressed for what, nine months leading up to 1.4?

And now, with the latest patch, similar problems are resurfacing in Omen encounters, almost as if nothing meaningful was learned from the last time. That alone says a lot about their priorities, and performance clearly isn’t on their top priority list.

Beyond the technical side, there’s also the matter of trust. The developers initially made a point of saying the game would never include paid content outside of cosmetics, only to later pivot toward monetization, even going as far as announcing paid classes and effectively selling the game out to one of the worst possible options in that regard.

Of course, players who enjoy the game and have a stable income won’t necessarily have an issue paying for additional content, just like they keep their rigs up to date to support their hobby. But that doesn’t really change the underlying point. It’s still a move that reflects their true priorities. Sure, you can argue that anyone would take the right amount of money, but if you genuinely care about your game, you don’t hand it over in a way that leads to paid DLC being pushed later on.
That kind of shift says a lot about their priorities, and it’s hard to ignore.

So yes, while it’s fair to call it a decent, mid tier ARPG, elevating it beyond that feels unwarranted. There are enough missteps, both technical and philosophical to keep it grounded well below the level of praise you’re giving it.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:
Meanwhile you got PoE 1 constantly having backported broken PoE 2 assets that don't work properly and have 0 optimization, so the shaders for them take forever to load etc. etc. like what kind of SSD do they think the average user has, we can't all load these assets at light-speeds lmaaao


Is it truly constantly breaking, or is it simply struggling on older, weaker hardware that is naturally more prone to issues? Your comment about what kind of SSD the average user has suggests you do not fully grasp the situation. An SSD alone will not carry a system through modern gaming. It can speed up loading times, but if the rest of the setup is slow, underpowered, or outdated, in other words not designed for heavier tasks, even the best SSD in the world will not make a meaningful difference. And let us not even get started on running quad-channel DDR3 RAM for gaming, which is arguably one of the worst possible choices if you actually want smooth performance today.

That said, the average PC user is not relying on external drives anymore, yet alone HDDs.
Most have long since upgraded to a proper SATA SSD years ago, and many have already moved on to faster, more advanced options such as M.2 NVMe drives, leaving your assumption about average hardware rather outdated.
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And let us not even get started on running quad-channel DDR3 RAM for gaming, which is arguably one of the worst possible choices if you actually want smooth performance today.

That said, the average PC user is not relying on external drives anymore, yet alone HDDs.
Most have long since upgraded to a proper SATA SSD years ago, and many have already moved on to faster, more advanced options such as M.2 NVMe drives, leaving your assumption about average hardware rather outdated.


lul I'm on ddr4 2666 MHz ram but whatever, don't know what quad-channel even means. My motherboard only has 2 slots for ram, and I just have 1x 8 and 1x 16 slotted in atm.

And not everyone can just go and buy an expensive ssd, nor does everyone even know how to open up a PC and swap out parts. So it would cost them extra just to take it to some PC shop to have the part be put in lol


Again, there are people with NASA PC setups in technical support/bug reports saying that both games run badly or crash. Its just only affecting some people.
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Toforto#2372 wrote:
nor does everyone even know how to open up a PC and swap out parts. So it would cost them extra just to take it to some PC shop to have the part be put in lol
Youtube is your friend. Building a PC is literally like clicking lego pieces together. 10 year olds can do it.
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Toforto#2372 wrote:
nor does everyone even know how to open up a PC and swap out parts. So it would cost them extra just to take it to some PC shop to have the part be put in lol
Youtube is your friend. Building a PC is literally like clicking lego pieces together.


As if I'm gonna spend hours learning how to put together all these complicated PC parts, and 1 mess-up means I bricked it all. Nah, its better to just order a custom-made one and tell someone else who does know how to build it for you lol

The average person isn't a PC mechanical expert.
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Toforto#2372 wrote:
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Toforto#2372 wrote:
nor does everyone even know how to open up a PC and swap out parts. So it would cost them extra just to take it to some PC shop to have the part be put in lol
Youtube is your friend. Building a PC is literally like clicking lego pieces together.


As if I'm gonna spend hours learning how to put together all these complicated PC parts, and 1 mess-up means I bricked it all. Nah, its better to just order a custom-made one and tell someone else who does know how to build it for you lol

The average person isn't a PC mechanical expert.
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Okay. Thanks for letting us know. If you ever need help or guidance, feel free to hit me up buddy.


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